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20th HBSA Rook & Rabbit rifle competition

posted 9 Apr 2019, 10:43 by Tony Cattermole   [ updated 9 Apr 2019, 10:43 ]

Attached you should find the results from the 20th HBSA Rook & Rabbit rifle competition held at Bisley. I have been having trouble setting the page sizes for printing nicely, but I’m sure someone younger and brighter than me can sort this out.
Last year Paul Smith did not enter as he had an injured shoulder, but we can all now see that he is back to cracking form! We had some new faces present this time, as well as a couple of cancellations due to health issues.
These results will also be displayed on the HBSA website, and certificates will be printed and distributed in the months ahead. I hope that many of you will be able to come along to the HBSA Winans event on both Saturday and Sunday 10th and 11th August. There is no pre-booking for this, so just turn up with a small amount of cash and lots of ammunition. The Winans range has no calibre limitations, so if you wish to fire your 45-70 at 25 metres then please do – I will be!
Have a good summer
Allan Kirk

Curators required in Oman for the Centre of Excellence for Historic Arms

posted 9 Apr 2019, 09:50 by Tony Cattermole   [ updated 9 Apr 2019, 09:55 ]

As members will be aware Dr Christopher Roads, our President, has been in Oman for several years setting up a cutting edge museum dedicated to the firearm. The project is now complete and the museum open.

He is now seeking curators. Please see the attached notice giving details. Applicants are requested to contact Dr Roads via email at armshist@omantel.net.om with expressions of interest.

BSSC honours retirement of David Penn

posted 5 Apr 2019, 13:29 by Tony Cattermole   [ updated 5 Apr 2019, 13:29 ]

David Penn BSSC presentation
The retirement of the British Shooting Sports Council’s long-serving Secretary David Penn has been marked at the Council’s Annual General Meeting and Luncheon.

David Penn stood down on March 21 after 13 years with British shooting’s umbrella organisation. 

A target shooter, game shot and an authority on historic military firearms, David was formerly Keeper of Firearms at the Imperial War Museum and his detailed understanding of firearms technology and legislation has been invaluable in helping shooting sports to counter the challenge of ever-increasing controls over firearms ownership. 

A former chairman of the Government’s Firearms Consultative Committee, David’s opinion on firearms matters has been deeply respected both by politicians, civil servants and the police, and as BSSC Secretary he has played a key contribution to shaping Britain’s gun laws.

David has been co-opted to BSSC in order to retain the benefits of his knowledge and input.

Obsolete cartridge list

posted 4 Apr 2019, 17:20 by Tony Cattermole   [ updated 4 Apr 2019, 17:21 ]

Following members exchanges on the forum the following may be of interest.

It is important to remember that the list is now the “obsolete cartridge list”. The change was agreed when discussing the list for the statutory version for the Policing and Crime Act. The term calibre is generic and cartridge is specific.

As members will recall from my website posts at the time, the list, which will become statutory, and part of the definition of an antique, is still under “impact assessment” at the Home Office regarding addition of, and potential removal of certain cartridges. The decision has been delayed, as have many other matters, by another process currently under discussion in Parliament.

The basic situation is clear in the “Guide". As we all know a firearm chambered for a cartridge on the list may be held as a curiosity or ornament without ammunition.

There is no reason not to have an “acquisition slot” on an FAC for a firearm chambered for a cartridge on the list (and ammunition), whether you already possess one as a 58(2) or not. You may, for example not wish to shoot the one that you have because of its condition, but rather acquire another.

If you possess more than one, the entry on the FAC should be clear through the description and/or serial number as to which one you shoot. The others remain 58(2)s. Whilst the others are retained as 58(2) the owner should be clear about that, and that there is no intent to shoot them, perhaps keep ammunition separately, and ensure that, for example, whilst at a shoot he does not use them (or perhaps even have them with him). The FAC will reflect the specific firearm and ammunition. Whilst as far as we are aware, this has not been directly tested in Court, we also believe that it is unlikely to be. However whilst the question of intent is difficult to prove, the statutory list seeks greater legal clarity.

The same will apply to the owner of muzzle loading firearms who has one on his licence to shoot, has a licence to keep black powder, and has other ML firearms which are not shot.

This will perhaps become more focused when the definition of antique (obsolete cartridge or ignition system) becomes statutory.

Members are also reminded that you may wish to have those items on your Firearm Certificate which are part of your collection marked as such with an *. Your good reason for having them will be collecting and your FAC should have the condition:-

The firearm(s) identified by an asterisk in Part 1 or Part 2 of the certificate must be possessed, purchased or acquired by the holder of the certificate only for the purpose of its being kept or exhibited as part of a collection and may be fired occasionally

As I reported some time ago a Labour amendment was introduced into the Offensive Weapons Bill regarding “handloading”. This was dropped, (we had pointed out that it was poorly worded) and will not now come back into the OWB. It may be re-introduced into the public consultations to take place on various aspects of firearms ownership and use after the OWB has received Royal Assent. The other aspects will be : medical evidence, Sect 11(4) and possibly air guns. We have been closely involved in meetings and communication with the Home Office and Police in conjunction with BSSC and will, as far as and when possible, report to members.

Derek Stimpson

Long Range Smallbore comp - 24th March 2019

posted 27 Mar 2019, 04:44 by Tony Cattermole   [ updated 27 Mar 2019, 04:44 ]

The Longrange Smallbore event was shot on Sunday 24th in very pleasant sunshine.
The morning was fairly calm and sheltered on Short Siberia at 200 yards. The afternoon found us combating a swirling wind on Century adding somewhat to the challenge of the increased distance of 300 yards.
All competitors used the .22 long rifle cartridge, none of the other rimfire calibres being represented.
The Results may be viewed here >>>>
My thanks go to Terry Hoskins and Geoff Ormerod for sharing the RO duties.
David Carroll

Petition against Deactivation of Lithgow Museum

posted 17 Mar 2019, 04:28 by Tony Cattermole   [ updated 17 Mar 2019, 04:28 ]

Members should look at these links and sign the petition against the draconian legislation that threatens to destroy this piece of heritage.

Derek Stimpson



March Shooting

posted 3 Mar 2019, 12:32 by Tony Cattermole   [ updated 3 Mar 2019, 12:32 ]

Dear Members

There are two dates for March:

Wednesday 20th March is the midweek practice day. We will be shooting at 200 yards in the
morning and 300 yards in the afternoon. This is the practice day for the smallbore long range
competition, however, all rifles are welcome, as usual this day will be self marked so please
expect to do some time in the butts.

The Longrange smallbore competition is on Sunday 24th March again shooting at 200 yards in
the morning and 300 yards in the afternoon. The online entry is now open here >>>>

Unfortunately, Mike Townsend, who was going to RCO this comp, has had to withdraw for
medical reasons. This means that we need at least 2 volunteers to help me run it on the day.
Helping out in this way will not preclude you from shooting in the contest.

Hopefully the weather will be better than last year when most could not attend due to the
snow and ice!

David Carroll

Fixed Bayonet No Bayonet Competition 2019

posted 26 Feb 2019, 14:33 by Tony Cattermole   [ updated 26 Feb 2019, 14:33 ]

The first competition of the year was shot on Sunday 24th February. The weather was almost perfect, following a misty start we had sunshine and virtually no wind for the shoot.

There were 24 contestants each shooting 4 cards of six shots each. 2 standing, 2 kneeling and 2 prone. As the competition name suggests these could be shot with or without attached bayonet.

The scoring was 5 for any shot in the central circle and 3 points for a hit anywhere on the body of the DP11 targets used. See the results here >>>>

Whilst there were some good scores, nobody got the holy grail of 30 points with or without bayonet. The overall impression gained was of a good mornings shooting, helped no doubt, by the weather.

As ever it was a privilege to see the variety and quantity of historic kit possessed and used by the members. Getting this out on the range is, I believe, a very important function of the HBSA.

My thanks to all who took part and particularly those who helped on the morning: Chris Reid, Rob Davidson, Bruce Ellis, Alan Berlin. The problem with listing names is that I may have forgotten someone, if so, I apologize.

David Carroll

Home Office advice re European Firearms Pass

posted 24 Feb 2019, 15:11 by Tony Cattermole   [ updated 24 Feb 2019, 15:12 ]

Members should note the following email received from the Home Office.

I will keep members posted but if there are any questions I will try to deal with them.

Derek Stimpson

Home Office advice re EFP

"I’m writing from the Home Office, working on preparations for our exit from the EU on 29 March.

Leaving the EU with a deal remains the Government’s top priority. This has not changed.
However, a responsible government must plan for every eventuality, including a no deal scenario. We have previously written to you about guidance for travelling with a European Firearms Pass if there’s no Brexit deal, so people could make informed plans and preparations.

Changes to EFPs

If we leave the EU without a deal, UK residents will no longer be able to use a European Firearms Pass to travel with their firearm. They would need to comply with whatever licensing requirements each EU country imposes, as well as UK import and export licensing requirements.

What this means for your members

Anyone travelling to, or due to be in, an EU country with their firearm after 29 March will need to check licensing requirements with the country they’re travelling to. This is particularly important if any of your members are taking part in competitions or events shortly after we leave the EU.

Countries may have varying lead times for applying for licenses, so your members should consider checking requirements now.

If you are sponsoring an EU visitor to the UK, you should apply to the local police force for a Visitor’s Permit like now, but will not need to show a valid EFP as part of this process.

Next steps

We’d like you to share this information with your members, to make sure they’re prepared in case we leave the EU without a deal. If you receive any enquiries from your members, sponsors or visitors about travelling with firearms after we leave the EU, you can direct them to further information on GOV.UK. “

BADA survey of the economic impact of the Ivory Act 2018

posted 21 Feb 2019, 07:40 by Tony Cattermole   [ updated 21 Feb 2019, 07:40 ]

A request to those members that this may affect to complete the survey please.

Many thanks 

Derek Stimpson  

BADA survey of the economic impact of the Ivory Act 2018
As you know, regrettably the Ivory Act was passed in December, will come into force at the end of this year and, despite its exemptions, the commercial sale of many thousands of genuine antique objects that happen to incorporate 10% or more ivory will become illegal.  Whether it’s chess sets, silver teapots, ivory fans or Chinese carved figures, we believe the impact on some owners of these historical items will be significant.
BADA, with the support of LAPADA, the Antiquities Dealers’ Association and SOFAA, wants to assess the financial impact the Ivory Act has already had and will have once it comes into force.  We know that some people have been selling items in their collections or stock before the legislation is implemented and others have held onto the items, with the prospect of them becoming unsaleable.  The survey data will be used to produce a report aggregating all these losses; the names of individuals taking part will not be used in the report and will not be made known to BADA.  It is possible that the report could become a vital piece of evidence in the event of a legal challenge to the Act. BADA is currently fundraising in preparation for such a challenge. If you would like to donate please email info@bada.org or call 020 7589 4128.
BADA’s survey is being undertaken by Woodnewton, an independent market research company.  To take part please click on the survey link:

Please note that although you can move between different pages of the survey and make corrections, once you have selected “Done” on the final page you will be unable to resubmit your answers. The deadline for completing the survey is 4 March 2019.
We strongly urge you to forward this message to anyone (collectors, dealers, investors or auctioneers) who you believe has already been or will be financially damaged by the Ivory Act.  The more people who take part in the survey the greater the authority it will carry. 

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